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Cillian Kieran runs Ethyca, and he hasn’t install OpenClaw on any machine he owns.
He's spent seven years building governance infrastructure for companies deploying AI. He says Fides, the open-source standard he created, is used by The New York Times, Condé Nast, Vercel, and the IAB. On this week's episode, Liam asks him what most people miss when they connect an agent to their CRM, Stripe, or QuickBooks.
He also explains why he thinks AI is "statistical math" with a marketing label, why most "dot AI" startups won't survive, and why he'd leave software for hardware if he started over today.
Also available on Spotify & Apple Podcasts.